Re: Draft AUP

[Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>]

good progress!  some whining, of course :-)

>>> 19. Members may not directly connect customers who are not UIXP Members
>>> via circuits to their router housed in any UIXP rack.
>> i.e. they may not put in private peering inter-member interconnects?  why
>> not?
> Not that actually. But imagine I am a customer of ISP A and I am probably
> nearer to the XP than to ISP A's premises. An ISP may be tempted to
> instead connect me to their router at the IXP instead of all the way to
> their premises. But otherwise inter-member connects should be okay.

i imagine that this is because of some scarce resource at the ixp.  if so,
then maybe add a "because" clause so folk can understand the physics.

>>> 20. Members should not routinely use the UIXP for carrying traffic between
>>> their own routers.
>> if i have two routers on the mesh (for redundancy i choose to pay for two),
>> then 50% of the traffic from a peer (unless meds are used) will go to the
>> 'wrong' router.  so 50% of my inbound traffic will be routinely shifted
>> between two of my own routers.
> That is a valid case. But imagine ISP A has two POPs in X and Y, and it
> has a direct link between these two POPs but each of them is also
> connected to the IXP. It would not be nice for say when their link between
> the POPs dies for the ISP to decide to route their own internal traffic
> through the IXP. i.e traffic from X destined for Y

yup.  another seemingly valid use.  so what scarce resource is being
preserved by proscribing it?

>> i am not a big fan of technology by democracy.
> True. But it is the only way of ensuring that everyone is happy with
> decisions made.

in the very short term, while life is meetings as opposed to moving packets.
when it comes to moving packets, people are most happy by well-working
technology.  is the goal meetings or moving packets.  i suggest optimizing
the design for the latter.

> We wouldn't like a member to come up and say that the decision making
> process is dominated by only a few and that their views are not heard.

in my culture, it is guarranteed that someone will do that.  when that
happens, i would much rather be able to justify the decisions on sound
technical principles than a vote taken back in 1948.

randy

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